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Kajunfisher Joined: Apr 3, 2005 Posts: 13 ID: 3565
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I have 2 wu's where I am the only one in the quorum, credit still
pending:
197081
197006
I have 1 wu where there is
another host that errored out, credit still pending:
196994

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Neil
Woodvine 
 Joined: Mar
14, 2005 Posts: 17 ID: 3317
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Well unfortunatley i've been able to duplicate the results from the
other night according to task manager i have currently 34 sextant
processes and 4 starboards but i'm not seeing the abnormal credit i had
yesterday , the only slight difference i've seen is a 1.9 credit for a
sextant as opposed to my normal 1.7 =/
i'll keep fiddling
though
@one eye , the sooner these bugs get out in the open ( in
the hands of a dev ) the sooner they can get fixed i'd hate to see what
would happen if someone who isn't as "honest" as you would do with the
knowledge.

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one
eye Joined: Sep 19, 2004 Posts: 91 ID:
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> It would be simple to have the scheduler running on the project
site check > that the number of targets requested is at least the
quorum, and decline to > put out thework and log an error if it is
not. > That would work also but my I put this?:

That's a nomal view of a regular predictor Work Unit
(quorum=3).
The "points" returned are realy close, even the final
used cpu time differs form the minimum/maximum of over 100%
The
implemented "rules" for taxing it as an error or outside "normal" would be
not far or at least not effective as it should.
I believe, a
scheduler based verifying and "filtering" can't be done for obtaining a
high leveled secured validation. But could be wrong.
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Neil
Woodvine 
 Joined: Mar
14, 2005 Posts: 17 ID: 3317
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I think I may have stumbled across one of the ways one eye had boosted
his credit, I saw something similar in his explanations on the
board.
The other day I finally figured out how some of the
crunchers are able to get so many workunits to crunch ( where I normally
only get a few , but this maybe to do with the new scheduler on the client
, not really sure ) which is to click update and then rest my stapler on
the enter button on the keypad and walkaway and have a cup of
tea.
Now in my excitement I got a little carried away downloading
the sextants and overloaded my comp with units ( won't do that again,
sorry =/ ) when I realised that they were going o come in late I tried to
pause the already late units and make the client work on the work units
further down the list which had a chance of finishing on time (
coincidentally the same time you took the schedulers offline yesterday
).
After I paused the first ten or so units instead of going on to
the next unit in the queue it went back to the first ( which may have
something to do with the panic/deadline mode in the new scheduler ) and no
matter how much I fiddled with it , it wouldn't work on the work units
that would make it on time.
So I unpaused them all and figured I'd
at least crunch them even if I didn't get credit as they would be late.
When I came back an hour later I noticed that the work units were taking
12 minutes instead of the unsual 8 and incrementing in the amount slightly
as it moved to the next work unit, all of which were claiming higher than
usual credit. When I opened task manager it showed multiple instances of
the sextant running ( which is what reminded me of the picture in one
eye's post ). I believe if I had kept pausing unspausing the units to make
more instances I would have been able to boost the requested scores of all
the remaining work units.
Well not wanting a public flogging and
feeling like I had been caught with my hand in the cookie jar I reset the
the project to clear all these work units and condemn them to the
depths.
I hope that this information helps and sorry for wasting
those work units =/

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Wormholio  Forum moderator
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> Now it can be talked about which part should do this, > the
core client or the application?
It would be simple to have the
scheduler running on the project site check that the number of targets
requested is at least the quorum, and decline to put out thework and log
an error if it is not.
- Eric Myers
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one
eye Joined: Sep 19, 2004 Posts: 91 ID:
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...especially unusual credit recieved even if it appears
..
there are many reasons to have "unespected" values.
For
example when a project offers work like at LHC, based on
simulation.
Even with the same expected cpu time, the finaly used
CPU Time can vary much from several seconds, several minutes of even
using the full expected cpu time.
So technically this will be
unsuccessful to to. Even a history (sever side) can't offer the
"security" desired.
with a quorum of 2(3) the excess can be put
down/narrowed, but not the cheat itself..
(time = basis for
"credits")
As mentioned above, lookto that situation: 1 host
receives work and then the cpu speed is dropped by half. Whats the
sitution now?
> > Wormholio: shouldn't the program that
BOINC sites use be changed too. a > simple > > check to
prevent target less than quorum?
The only way I see to prevent for
"sure", it's to put an additional tag into the client_state, with the
checksum of the cputime, md5 based of what ever.
At the time when
the workunit gets the state of "uploading" or "rRep"
Now it can be
talked about which part should do this, the core client or the
application?
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Ben
Christy Joined: Apr 13, 2005 Posts: 4 ID:
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> > > Not hard to make a
href="http://pirates.vassar.edu/result.php?resultid=455495">result
claim a > lot more than it should have. > > Of course
it did not take my PC that long : > > > CPU time
40802.6875 > > worker: CPU time: 40802.140625 seconds, Wall
clock time: 40867.546875 seconds > > > but there is no
checksum that makes the server reject edited client_state.xml >
entries. >
How hard would it be to impliment and how secure
would it be if public keys were used to encode results before they were
put in the queue for transmition back to host site?(which would decode
with its private key)
this would put another layer of protection
between programs and users since they would need to hack the program
instead of just the result file.
other than time to program the
implimentation I can see no down side
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Ben
Christy Joined: Apr 13, 2005 Posts: 4 ID:
3647
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...... > > > > But no, the system finaly took and
granted the upper result. Why, I cant > > write. > >
I can offer a theory here. Your result and another were both returned,
but > not yet processed. Yours was validated first, and with a
quorum of 1 it > became the "canonical" result. The other then
should have received the same > credit. > > Or are
there counterexamples? > -------------
this is a good
reason to always report unexpected results... especially unusual credit
recieved even if it appears to be a gift. you would complain if you
requested 2 credits but only recieved .02 so you should also complain when
your 2 credit request results in 200. in this case it is an indication
that a cheater has shanghied you for the ride. next time someone else will
get the top deck if you don't make him walk the plank now.
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Wormholio  Forum moderator
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> Wormholio: shouldn't the program that BOINC sites use be changed
too. a simple > check to prevent target less than
quorum?
Ideally, yes.
- Eric Myers
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Ben
Christy Joined: Apr 13, 2005 Posts: 4 ID:
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Wormholio: shouldn't the program that BOINC sites use be changed too. a
simple check to prevent target less than quorum?
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Ananas Joined: Mar 23, 2005 Posts: 27 ID: 3453
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Not hard to make a result claim a lot more than it should have.
Of
course it did not take my PC that long :
CPU time
40802.6875
worker: CPU time: 40802.140625 seconds, Wall clock time:
40867.546875 seconds
but there is no checksum that makes the
server reject edited client_state.xml entries.
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Wormholio  Forum moderator
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> I belive I can repair this in the database and get companions for
all those > lonely WU's. Standby...
The first thing I tried
didn't seem to work, and I don't think it is related to the DB corruption
we just went through. Will try some other things in a bit...
- Eric
Myers
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Neil
Woodvine 
 Joined: Mar
14, 2005 Posts: 17 ID: 3317
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Aye one or two here aswell
452501 0.40 452504 0.40
452828 1.79 452829 1.75 452830 1.75 452831 1.75 452832
1.77 452838 1.77 452839 1.77 452841 1.76 452845 1.75
452852 1.76 452854 1.73 452856 1.75 452857 1.81 452867
1.77 452870 1.78 452871 1.79 452873 1.74 452875 1.79
452877 1.73 452881 1.71 452883 1.72 452884 1.71 452889
1.70 452890 1.69 452893 1.69 452895 1.69 452897 1.69
452900 1.69 452902 1.69 452903 1.69 452905 1.69 452906
1.69 452907 1.70 452913 1.70 452914 1.69 452915 1.69
452920 1.70 452921 1.69 452922 1.68 452924 1.68 452925
1.68 452928 1.68 452931 1.68 452934 1.67 452943 1.67
452954 1.67 452958 1.68 452959 1.68 452961 1.68 452963
1.68 452964 1.68 452965 1.68 452967 1.69 452969 1.68
452970 1.69 452972 1.68 452974 1.67 452986 1.67 452987
1.67 452989 1.67 452991 1.67 452999 1.68 453000 1.67
453002 1.67 453003 1.67 453004 1.68 453005 1.67 453006
1.68 453011 1.68 453013 1.68 453014 1.68 453016 1.68
453018 1.68 453019 1.69 453020 1.68 453021 1.68 453022
1.68 453026 1.69 453030 1.68 453031 1.69 453032 1.68
453035 1.68 453036 1.68 453037 1.68 453039 1.68 45341
1.68 453042 1.69 453097 1.68 453099 1.69 453100 1.69
453102 1.69 453103 1.69 453104 1.69 453105 1.69 453138
1.75

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peg leg Joined: Aug 13, 2004 Posts: 23 ID: 746
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I have a couple too Capt'n ... :/
Result ID Claimed credit
448086 0.23 448625 0.18 449394 0.23 449544 0.19 449973
0.24 450136 0.18 450140 0.18 450487 0.37 450612 0.36
450619 0.36 450694 0.19 453355 2.84 453363 2.87 453371
2.88 453377 2.90 453379 2.89 453383 2.88 453406 2.89
453410 2.87 453416 2.89 453417 2.88 453418 2.90 453426
2.88 453441 2.89 453445 2.88 453446 2.84 453450 2.85
453453 2.82 453455 2.85 453456 2.88 453463 2.84 453473
2.84 453492 2.78 453498 2.63 453499 3.00 453503 3.00
453507 2.98 453508 2.84 453509 2.98 453511 2.87 453522
2.46 453523 2.94 453524 2.56 453526 2.55 453528 3.00
453529 2.83 453530 2.94 453531 2.56 453534 3.00 453536
2.94 453537 2.56 453538 2.67 453542 2.56 453543 2.84
453545 2.94 453546 2.55 453547 2.85 453549 2.84 453550
2.65 453551 2.93 453553 2.84 453555 2.56 453558 2.84
453559 2.55 453560 2.84 453563 2.56 453566 2.85 453567
2.55 453570 2.85 453571 2.54 453572 2.99 453573 2.55
453574 2.85 453575 2.55 453576 2.93 453577 2.55 453579
2.55 453580 2.85 453584 2.85 453586 2.83 453587 2.54
453588 2.82 453589 2.53 453590 2.80 453591 2.52 453592
2.80 453593 2.52 453594 2.80 453595 2.53 453596 2.98
453599 2.52 453600 2.98 453601 2.53 453602 2.80 453605
2.53 453606 2.98 453607 2.53 453608 2.80 453609 2.54
453610 3.00 453612 2.79 453613 2.55 453614 2.80 453616
2.80 453617 2.82 453618 2.55 453620 2.56 453622 2.55
453623 2.81 453624 2.84 453625 3.00 453626 2.84 453628
2.82 453629 2.56 453631 2.56 453633 2.55 453636 3.00
453637 2.55 453641 2.86 453642 2.99 453643 2.55 453644
2.97 453645 2.82 453646 2.82 45650 2.55 453658 2.56
453659 2.95 453660 2.56 453661 2.98 453662 2.81 453664
2.86 453667 2.93 453668 2.86 453672 2.56 453673 2.55
453675 2.82 453676 2.87 453677 2.85 453681 2.84 453682
2.95 453683 2.84 453685 2.56 453688 2.92 453691 2.55
453692 2.94 453694 2.98 453695 2.55 453696 2.70 453697
2.79 453698 2.95 453699 2.88 453700 2.74 453702 2.86
453704 2.86 453705 2.83 453706 2.84 453707 2.95 453708
2.56 453709 2.99 453710 2.93 453712 2.90 453713 2.86
453715 2.50 453722 2.92 453723 2.83 453724 2.98 453725
2.55 453726 2.97 453727 2.86 453728 2.76 453729 2.85
453738 2.60 Pending credit: 450.04
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Wormholio  Forum moderator
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> > "The Capt'n is now resetting all his workunits to a quorum of
two. He > will not make the same mistake twice." > >
Captn, > > i have a few results pending since last night, and
they seem that they won't > get credited....
The Capt'n won't
make the same mistake twice, he'll make a different mistake. :-)
I
set the quorum to 2, but the number of target results to 1. So one WU was
sent out, and now it's waiting for 2 to come back to fill the quorum.
Interesting situation.
I belive I can repair this in the database
and get companions for all those lonely WU's. Standby...
- Eric
Myers
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Femue Joined: Mar 22, 2005 Posts: 3 ID: 3423
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> "The Capt'n is now resetting all his workunits to a quorum of two.
He will > not make the same mistake twice."
Captn,
i
have a few results pending since last night, and they seem that they won't
get credited: http://pirates.vassar.edu/workunit.php?wuid=196891 (see
also wuid 196943, 196985, 196986, 196987, 197107).
Shouldn't there
be a quorum of two? Will they ever leave the
pending-status?
Aye Femue
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Mchl Joined: Sep 23, 2004 Posts: 6 ID: 1228
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> >What else can we learn from it? II > > This
project is much more important to keep it alife to test, evolute
and > optimize the the client-server nad the server part. >
> with or without "public work" > I've been always
repeating that! Aye!
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Wormholio  Forum moderator
 Joined: Jun 6, 2004 Posts: 353 ID: 1
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> This should be front page news. Brought to you by the team of
peg leg and one > eye. Sponsored by Pirates!
Good idea.
Consider it done.
- Eric Myers
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Wormholio  Forum moderator
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> cptn, > > finaly found an wonderful example, please
look here > > 2 results and a quorum of
1?
Yes, this shows that BOINC is acting as expected. The first
result (yours, with the "modified" claimed CPU) is taken as the canonical
result, but the second result is already "out there", so when it returns
it is also granted credit.
After a little reflection, I think the
proper paraphrase from Red October is (please imagine this being said by
Sean Connery):
"The Capt'n is now resetting all his workunits to a
quorum of two. He will not make the same mistake twice."
I believe
that is all that is required to prevent this little mischief, but let's
see, If you like, Mr. one_eye, please try your trick on the latest
starboard workunits to see what happens. I expect we will then be able to
link to a WU which shows the attempt and how it fails. If Mr. peg_leg ends
up running the other Result from the same WU then he will keep you honest
again. ;-)
- Eric Myers
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peg leg Joined: Aug 13, 2004 Posts: 23 ID: 746
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To peg leg for his keen eye in all this and courage to report knowing
full well of possible damage to personal relationship even beyond this one
project. ==========
Yes, it was a very difficult decision for me
to make as I do or did have personal contact with one eye. I actually
waited about 24 hr's to see what or where this was leading to before
finally reporting the WU's. In the end though I feel I had to do what was
right no matter what the cost was to me ... :/
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Contact 
 Joined: Aug
29, 2004 Posts: 117 ID: 873
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Most exciting pirate thread to date! Big respect to all here. To
peg leg for his keen eye in all this and courage to report knowing
full well of possible damage to personal relationship even beyond this one
project. And for declining the gold bullion you show you truly are not a
'rich man'
Respect for the Capt. for making all the right
moves.
Praise for one eye, not punishment. If he comes clean
and helps us fix the problem, then there is no problem.
Real
question remains. why, dear boinc do you allow this
technically I have had fleeting thoughts of doing this myself, so
i'm sure have many others. This should be front page news. Brought to
you by the team of peg leg and one eye. Sponsored by
Pirates!
 Click and enter
your name for your BOINC Statistics
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one
eye Joined: Sep 19, 2004 Posts: 91 ID:
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captn,
finaly found an wonderful example, please look here
2 results and a quorum of 1?
might your are right,
the result was returned quicker as the regular one
now going to bed
looking to the reply tomorrow.
Stupid I am, why didn't I asked for
a full week/month/year cputime ;)
The "boinc time" calculation
started somewhere at 1.1.1970. Wondering what would happen, when a time
is reported so high, that it would fall below 1970...
more
mysteries?? take a short look into the q+a of LHC, where a brave mate got
a time warp. This host has due bios reset a brocken time
epoche
enjoy!
http://lhcathome.cern.ch/forum_thread.php?id=1310
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Wormholio  Forum moderator
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> Some other applications came with the quorum of 2, and there I
assumed, 2 > possible estimates a+b/2 or only taking a, where a is
the lower returned > result. I let manage some results, based on
random, to "get" a final time of > 14 - 40 hours per hello/mello or
how all they are called.
It seems the quorum on hello, yello, and
sextant were all set at 1, and that explains how this was possible.
Nothing more is needed.
> > But no, the system finaly
took and granted the upper result. Why, I cant > write.
I can
offer a theory here. Your result and another were both returned, but not
yet processed. Yours was validated first, and with a quorum of 1 it became
the "canonical" result. The other then should have received the same
credit.
Or are there counterexamples?
- Eric Myers
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peg leg Joined: Aug 13, 2004 Posts: 23 ID: 746
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Peg_leg should get a T-shirt and some gold
bullion =========
Send the T-Shirt & the hell with the gold
bullion, T-Shirts are much more valuable ... hehe
I never meant no
harm to one eye and I still consider him a friend even though he quit our
team. As a Team Founder I just felt it was just something I had to report,
if the Team Founders don't keep a check on their own Team Members then
there's not much hope for the Projects when it comes to cheating IMO
...
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Ageless
 Joined: Jul
20, 2004 Posts: 83 ID: 180
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> > The question is, should Mr. one_eye receive praise or
punishment for his > actions? What do the crew think? ;-)
I
think he should get a T-shirt, then be slashed with the cat o' nine tails.
Since he didn't say anything about it himself.
Peg_leg sould get
a T-shirt and some gold bullion. If you know where you hid some of yours.
;) ------------------------- Jord.
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Wormholio  Forum moderator
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> > I wonder how he managed to run the unit for over 53,000
seconds. If you > > check his other WUs, there's ... >
> The work was done on regular way somehow in 120-150 sec. others
took 15 > minutes > > The assistance came later, but
before the work was uploaded.
Basically, he hacked the reply to
change the CPU time after the WU finished but before it was
uploaded.
For a quorum of 1, you get all you request, if the WU is
valid. We've been using the 'trivial' validator, so any WU which completes
succesfuly and does a little time is valid.
For a quorum of 2 you
get some combination of the two requests. It should be the lower of the
two, as described here, but it's possible to set up a project to use a
different policy. It may be that we are configured to take an average
rather than the lower of the two. I'll have to check, as I've not focused
on this end of the project.
The redundancy of setting the quorum
> 1 is supposed to protect against this, but it won't protect against a
conspiracy. If the quorum was 2 but Mr. peg_leg was conspiring with Mr.
one_eye they both could have still received higher credit because they
both shared so many WU's. But that is in part due to the small nature of
our project.
A required quorum of 3 gives further protection
against conspiracy, but would be harder on a test project like this. I
trust we will not have to institute such a policy.
It is also
possible to put more careful checks into the validator to scrutinize WU's
more closely after they are uploaded. So there are ways to defend against
this for a real 'production' project.
Mr. peg_leg should be
commended for his keen eye in all this.
The question is, should Mr.
one_eye receive praise or punishment for his actions? What do the crew
think? ;-) - Eric Myers
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one
eye Joined: Sep 19, 2004 Posts: 91 ID:
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> I wonder how he managed to run the unit for over 53,000 seconds.
If you check > his other WUs, there's
The work was done
on regular way somehow in 120-150 sec. others took 15 minutes
The
assistance came later, but before the work was uploaded.
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one
eye Joined: Sep 19, 2004 Posts: 91 ID:
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> With the apps based on 1 quorum, the result could be
estimated.
Some other applications came with the quorum of 2, and
there I assumed, 2 possible estimates a+b/2 or only taking a, where a
is the lower returned result. I let manage some results, based on random,
to "get" a final time of 14 - 40 hours per hello/mello or how all they are
called.
But no, the system finaly took and granted the upper
result. Why, I cant write.
Right now having problems to show an
example, I'm going/went trough the work all the clients returned
yesterday,( many comutation error :-( ) but could not find
anymore.
This could have the origine, that I merged all what I
could, to blur the traps..or a server based script was executed to
reinitialize the result -grating based on the lower ones or to build a new
"canonical" result.
It helpes much to get more work, while the last
rpc times are set in a (user friendly) deep value. Would this number
increased, the individual will "rant" but the work could offered to more
people.
-->GT the min rpc times, between 2
requests.
Others are outside of boinc, more relating to network
technologie
More work=more "points"..
Forbit the framework,
but it's part of the design of boinc..
If I'm not confusing the
movie, in red hunt october they had to destroy the "remote console" by
hand to regain the controll over the fireing system
>Do you
agree that this is enough to prevent this little trick? I dont know it
for sure. It looks like only above 2 quorums, the "security" will prevent
the game of numbers.
What are you doing when a client, let's say
running with 2000 MHz is getting work (from any kind of project) and the
cpu speed is reduced to let's say 500 MHz? even quorum based, the result
could be "different".
Very legal way to optimize the
returning "points" is simple to open the show grafic..
This 4.45
Host has some work, over rpc I suspended all work on WU level and an other
rpc was enabling the grafic
(working on a "own" scheduling the
scheduler where it's possible to run the 4.4x in time frames, as long as
there isn't a "problem with deadlines)
A far bid more Credits" can
be collected.

>What else can we learn from it?
II
This project is much more important to keep it alife to test,
evolute and optimize the the client-server nad the server
part.
with or without "public work"
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Ageless
 Joined: Jul
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I wonder how he managed to run the unit for over 53,000 seconds. If you
check his other WUs, there's one
he did in 109,000+ seconds.
Then there's the question of
quota. What's the quota per CPU here? 100 per day? That person has had
223 so far for today.
I think I got 2 last night. Might be wise to
set stricter rules. ;) ------------------------- Jord.
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Wormholio  Forum moderator
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> Also the very unique Setup of this project did it's part, so
the question > could be (construtive modus) why, dear boinc do you
allow this technically??
I am curious on this point. The app
you used for this had a quorum of 1, since they were only minor tests and
I wanted to get them back quickly. I've since set the quorum to 2, which
should prevent such mischief. [Flash to scene in Hunt for Red October
where Tupelov is trying desparately to remove the safety settings from all
his torpedoes :-) ]
Do you agree that this is enough to prevent
this little trick?
What else can we learn from it?
-
Eric Myers
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one
eye Joined: Sep 19, 2004 Posts: 91 ID:
1149
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Treachery amongst us?
No. But curiosity if it works. Yes it
did:(
If it helps, here are my sincere apology.
Hope certain
person can refind now the sleep..and calm down
Nobody got a brocken
leg, taking a more realistic view, those are just numbers.
That
what happen on Sunday morning, that's a real problem with a much
higher impact.
Indeed boinc is working great as designed;) In every
point of view.
Before this project will close, I just had to get
seccured Information.
Experiments are not limited to the people of
boinc. Sometime the rat is leaving the kittchen.
What a bug is,
depends only of the point of view, talk to "some" developers stuff, they
never believe the can be bug(s), even if "everybody" can feel and see
it..
finaly some words, it social, as far as I could see, several
other people got also more (indirectly) as they estimated to get...
therefore this is social.
Also the very unique Setup of this
project did it's part, so the question could be (construtive modus) why,
dear boinc do you allow this technically??
so relax, it was a
limited trial.
alls the "points" so far, have been done on regular
way.
Started selfpunishement, using alpha releases of cc:(
I
will stop posting here and not giving reply,
if somebody
realy wants/needes to know more, feel free to send a email
No
experiments, no progress:)
no
sig
vahallah!
added: (how some can be limited to credits!
What can you buy for? Nothing.
Much more concerned by the security
lacks of the boinc architecture
Reported them last year, no answer
got so far..)
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Wormholio  Forum moderator
 Joined: Jun 6, 2004 Posts: 353 ID: 1
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> The problem I had with the whole thing was that I know this person
keeps on > top of his computers enough to know he was getting this
type of Credit and if > it was a bug then he should have reported
himself ... > > Being that I know this person I really hated
to report it myself & it > probably isn't going to sit very well
with him, but what is right is right I > feel ...
Keep in
mind that the point of this project is to test BOINC (and screensaver
graphics, of course). If a problem has been found it should be reported,
investigated, and fixed. Credit isn't the most important thing on this
particular project.
I also believe this person is on top of his
machines enough to know what is going on. If he's done this intentionally,
then he may have even jacked up the credit enough that it would be
noticed, just to get our attention. Or not. I'm hoping he'll let us know
what is up.
Otherwise we might have to convene a Court Martial!
;-)
- Eric Myers
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peg leg Joined: Aug 13, 2004 Posts: 23 ID: 746
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The problem I had with the whole thing was that I know this person
keeps on top of his computers enough to know he was getting this type of
Credit and if it was a bug then he sould have reported himself
...
Being that I know this person I really hated to report it
myself & it probably isn't going to sit very well with him, but what
is right is right I feel ...
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kolch
 Joined: Jul
22, 2004 Posts: 34 ID: 379
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A couple of points...
Either it is too hard, not always possible
to, or as a result of a bug that some WU's from this host are claiming
high credit. The majority of the results claimed reasonable credit
amounts.
The large claims are not always granted.
I think it
is most likely a bug, or maybe a cheat made possible by the more relaxed
rules of granting credit for this project. Just my thoughts.
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Wormholio  Forum moderator
 Joined: Jun 6, 2004 Posts: 353 ID: 1
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Well it's one thing to be hacked from the outside. We can repel all
borders, and have done so recently.
It's quite another thing to
have a member of the crew gaming the system.
It seems one of us may
have found a way to do so.
Now it might be a bug, in which case we
track it down and squash it. That's part of our job.
Or it might be
he's figured out a way around the credit system. I have my suspicions on
what's up, but I want to hear his explaination first.
If he comes
clean and helps us fix the problem, then there is no problem.
And
if he doesn't come clean...?
...the expanded choice of project
preferences is back on-line, and he can choose his prefered punishment,
subject to the suggestions of the crew and the will of the
captain.
[Edit] I've moved the posts on this topic to a new
thread.
- Eric Myers
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peg leg Joined: Aug 13, 2004 Posts: 23 ID: 746
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This host is littered with granted credit over 100 ... Some have almost
170 credits granted ...
This is just one of them ... WU
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Rusty Forum moderator
 Joined: Jun 29, 2004 Posts: 46 ID: 17
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> Sorry to say I'm going to drop this Project, there is some highly
suspicious > activity going on with the Credits being given out to
certain people IMO ... I > don't mind a little competition but when
I see over 100 Credits being given > out for a WU that shouldn't
take more than a few minutes to complete & all > I'm getting is
.15 Credits for the same type WU's then something is rotten in >
Denmark I think ... >
You are right, that should not happen.
Especially with the WU's we are giving out. So there must be a problem
somewhere, and this project is all about finding and fixing problems in
BOINC and the screensavers. Can you point out the WU's that are getting so
much credit, so we can track down this problem?
-- Rusty McGee
Johnson
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peg leg Joined: Aug 13, 2004 Posts: 23 ID: 746
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Sorry to say I'm going to drop this Project, there is some highly
suspicious activity going on with the Credits being given out to certain
people IMO ... I don't mind a little competition but when I see over 100
Credits being given out for a WU that shouldn't take more than a few
minutes to complete & all I'm getting is .15 Credits for the same type
WU's then something is rotten in Denmark I think ...
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